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December 30, 2006American Christianity has become overrun with sissies. The stuff Paul wrote would never make it into a Sunday morning sermon for fear of offending the same people who spend more time boycotting The Da Vinci Code and Harry Potter than they do helping their neighbor. In fact, some of the stuff Paul wrote didn’t even make it into our common English translations…Excuse me?
So, in order to prove that this politically correct, tame, and emotionless sissiness is not where we started, I’d like to show a few examples of honest, point-blank, and truly offensive (and oh-so-awesome) material found from the very book and people this faith came from.
Let’s start with Paul. First we’ve got the censored Philippians 3:8, which you’ve probably seen like one of these:
Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ (NKJV)
Not only those things, but I think that all things are worth nothing compared with the greatness of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. Because of him, I have lost all those things, and now I know they are worthless trash. This allows me to have Christ (NCV)
What is more, I consider everything a loss compared to the surpassing greatness of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them rubbish, that I may gain Christ (NIV)
Bullshit.
Paul said it. He didn’t count them as “rubbish” or “worthless trash,” he counted them as the Greek “skubala,” or correctly translated–”shit.”
Then we’ve got one of my all-time favorite verses, Galations 5:12. To give a little context, I’ll include verse 11 as well (and I’ll be skipping the NKJV as, in my opinion, it’s fairly weak):
My brothers and sisters, I do not teach that a man must be circumcised. If I teach circumcision, why am I still being attacked? If I still taught circumcision, my preaching about the cross would not be a problem. I wish the people who are bothering you would castrate themselves! (NCV)
Brothers, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished. As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves! (NIV)
Now as Real Live Preacher points out, this pretty much means, “I wish those who are troubling you would cut their own balls off.” Try saying that in church and see what happens.
Both John the Baptist and Jesus used the common phrase, “brood of vipers” when addressing a group of people. According to a Wikipedia article, “In Matthew and Luke, the word used for brood implies illegitimacy, and so scholars, such as Malina and Rohrbaugh, consider a more literal translation to be snake bastards.”
Now, regardless of whether that’s the most accurate translation or not, take a look at what Jesus said here:
“You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation. (Matthew 23:33-36, NIV)
I’m pretty sure that wasn’t taken positively. And of course, we can’t forget the whole flipping tables episode.
So, with that said, if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to go put on some Tool. Wait…actually, it’s already playing.
December 30th, 2006 @ 4:57 pm (#)
Jeepers, Elliot, posting has taken more time then reading your post did. You need an easier proccess, bro. Here’s an idea, have a box that says ‘comment’ and then after a person clicks that, there is a place to write stuff, and under that is a button that says ‘make comment’ or something painfully obvious like that. We are not all computer super-geniuses. We can’t do HTML for them all, or even make a homepage for our dog.
As for the post, I am proud of you and your strong language and blunt translations. Perhaps you will survive in college after all. I hope my approval fills you with shame.
December 31st, 2006 @ 2:28 pm (#)
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December 31st, 2006 @ 2:31 pm (#)
I’m wallowing in shame.
Deal….except that I actually didn’t really say anything, I just quoted Bible verses.
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January 27th, 2007 @ 3:36 am (#)
Hey Eliot,
You brought up a good point. Paul’s words have become “G-rated”.
Although, it’s probably due to the large amount of children that attend church as well. (NIV anyways - 1978) This keeps them from asking such questions as, “where do babies REALLY come from?” and “what the #$@! does !$)* mean? ”
Anyways, as far as the KJV goes, Martin Luther translated the Bible into the vernacular (common) language , 1521 and, of course, after Luther’s death, William Tyndale took the Bible up in 1611… then he was burned at the stake…
finally King James had the KJV printed and finished for the vernacular language (from the Greek version). This would probably explain why the KJV of the Bible is rather flowery and “clean”
- with the occasional formal version of “donkey”.
Reason for Neatness/not crude : it was printed by the Crown of England : do you really think they would translate the crude stuff ? I mean, after all, the peasants used crude language… but they couldn’t read at the time
—> oh yeah, the Crown of England still holds copyright power over the KJV
So yeah, that just about wraps things up for me

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February 10th, 2007 @ 9:16 am (#)
Entry 2-10-07 -
I agree with the main idea here. Bible versions and MANY so-called preachers of the Word of God have become watered down. Many false prophets are spewing out lies using out of context scriptures. Gal. 5:9 - “A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.”
KJV - Galations 5:12 - ” I would they were even cut off which trouble you.”
maybe im stoopid (or ignorant of certain facts), but I certainly would not have understood that the KJV meant in Galations 5:12 to “castrate themselves” had i not read a different version. I would have interpreted it as those who are bothering you being ‘cut off from your/our presence’. Not balls cut off. I like the balls cut off wording better (if this is what it means) and I wish the same for those as well. I have no greek, hebrew or latin background eduction.
Although i prefer the KJV to read and always have, you pointed out that the word “skubala” which means ’shit’ wasnt used in the versions that you quoted, but i must also point out that it wasnt used in the KJV either. the word “dung” is used. either way, you are correct and some versions water down the Word of God and actually make it difficult to catch the meaning without refering to a better version.
Then again…. GOD will use (explain) HIS Word to open the heart of any person IF that person so desires… no matter the source.
David M (FL)
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If I had to find a biblical word for shit, it might better be kopria - translated as Dung in Luke (13:8), refering to Jesus’ parable about the landowner who wants to remove a tree because it does not produce, and the slave asks that he leave it alone until he can “dung it.” Perhaps in this case it is fertilizer.
The problem with translations is that in most languages, everything
has at least two meanings at different cultural times.
Skubalon is found in Phillipains as you pointed out. But doesnt the KJV translate that as dung as well?
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